Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/09/1993 05:00 PM House TRA

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             HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                           
                        February 9, 1993                                       
                            5:00 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Richard Foster, Chair                                         
  Representative Gary Davis, Vice-Chair                                        
  Representative Al Vezey                                                      
  Representative Curt Menard                                                   
  Representative Bill Hudson                                                   
  Representative Eldon Mulder                                                  
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Jerry Mackie                                                  
  Representative Curt Menard                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act (ISTEA)                     
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Frank G. Turpin, Commissioner                                                
  Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                           
  3132 Channel Drive                                                           
  Juneau, Alaska   99801-7898                                                  
  465-3900                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Provided overview for ISTEA briefing                    
                                                                               
  Dale R. Merrell, PE                                                          
  Vice President                                                               
  ASCG Incorporated                                                            
  301 Arctic Slope Avenue, Suite 200                                           
  Anchorage, Alaska   99518-3035                                               
  (907)-349-5148                                                               
  Position Statement:  Spoke in favor of contract                              
                       administrators for the state and                        
                       involvement in work for the Bureau of                   
                       Indian Affairs transportation planning.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-3, SIDE A                                                            
  Number 015                                                                   
                                                                               
  The House Transportation Committee meeting was called to                     
  order at 5:10 p.m.                                                           
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER FRANK TURPIN, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND                  
  PUBLIC FACILITIES, began his overview by stating that he                     
  wanted to give the committee a brief understanding of                        
  Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act (ISTEA).                    
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN:  ISTEA is the federal government's way                  
  of refunding the 14.1 cents per gallon that you pay every                    
  time you buy gasoline.  This refund is usually done by a                     
  bill passed by Congress which sets out a five year program.                  
  This year it was set out for six years.                                      
                                                                               
  This act is quite different from any experienced before -                    
  the objectives have been greatly expanded.  The interstate                   
  system is largely completed.  For that reason, the federal                   
  government wanted flexibility in how the surface                             
  transportation funds were used.  Previously, the funds were                  
  used largely to complete the interstate system or other                      
  major highways in the country.  This year, they are                          
  encouraging the use of the funds on other modes of                           
  transportation.  Other modes for Alaska include the Alaska                   
  Marine Highway System, as well as transit or buses, etc.                     
  There is a lot of variety in how you are able to expend the                  
  funds this year.                                                             
                                                                               
  Another aspect of the bill emphasizes local participation.                   
  The cities under 200,000 population, by ISTEA such as                        
  Anchorage, are given full planning responsibility.   The                     
  Department of Transportation (DOT) cannot spend any money in                 
  Anchorage without the Anchorage planning committee deciding                  
  this is desirable and this is the way they want to expend                    
  their funds.  ISTEA also dedicates funds for other purposes;                 
  specifically, for enhancement and highways of the highway                    
  system.  Enhancement is a word that is not completely                        
  understood and has been interpreted in a lot of different                    
  ways.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Congress was rather specific about enhancement.  They                        
  identify ten specific areas where enhancement could be used.                 
  These are things that make highway driving more enjoyable -                  
  scenic overlooks or restoration of historical sites,                         
  beautification of the highway, trails used for                               
  transportation, such as bike trails or anything of that                      
  nature.  Ten percent of the ISTEA was set aside for                          
  enhancement, which amounts to about 11 million dollars for                   
  Alaska a year - a substantial amount of money for 6 years.                   
                                                                               
  Safety is the same way, although there has been a lot of new                 
  learning on how to expend those funds.  It is the same                       
  amount as for enhancement - approximately 11 million dollars                 
  a year.  At first they were restrictive on safety money and                  
  looked at things such as building left turn lanes and                        
  putting in more traffic lights, with perhaps a few railroad                  
  grade crossings.  DOT has been successful in getting a few                   
  other useful things allowed for safety for Alaska, such as                   
  markers on the road for night driving and snow.  We may be                   
  able to get Congress to consider straightening out curbs if                  
  a high record of accidents had occurred in such a place.                     
  Safety money can not be used for things which your normally                  
  do such as lights at an intersection.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 0126                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN:  Alaska enjoys an even greater                          
  flexibility than the other states.  Section 118(F) used to                   
  require that money could only be used on a federal aid                       
  system, an effective system built with federal funds.                        
  Section 118(F) deleted [on a federal aid system], which in                   
  effect, according to a ruling by the Federal Highway                         
  Administration legal staff is that we can spend the money on                 
  any public road in Alaska.  More flexibility allows us to                    
  build a road of any standard that meets its purpose.                         
                                                                               
  The State of Alaska is not limited to building roads either.                 
  If a trail would do the job, that is perfectly all right,                    
  especially between villages.  The money can be stretched                     
  pretty far using money to build trails that would handle                     
  such things as four wheelers.                                                
                                                                               
  The Borough Transportation Plan (BTP) was developed to                       
  achieve the local participation to satisfy local needs, not                  
  just to concentrate on the areas where DOT recognize the                     
  local needs.  Local participation is very much in line with                  
  what ISTEA asked for.  This will also add some stability to                  
  the local road construction in the state.                                    
                                                                               
  DOT did not want to decide each year exactly how much money                  
  each area would get.  They thought it would be better to                     
  divide the state up in some ways of districting and have a                   
  steady flow of money every year going to that district.                      
  This way you could plan ahead and accomplish the various                     
  things that you wanted to do.                                                
                                                                               
  The decision was made to divide the BTP money between                        
  boroughs and let the borough governments be responsible for                  
  the planning and expenditure of the local funds.  The BTP                    
  money was divided into three major areas.  The main things                   
  to consider in the BTP were how much money to expend to the                  
  local boroughs and what would the fairest way be to divide                   
  these funds.                                                                 
                                                                               
  After much discussion, it was discovered that Alaskans                       
  wanted roads which existed to be brought up to better                        
  standards.  Fifty percent of the ISTEA money was put into                    
  existing roads.  Thirty-five percent would go into local                     
  roads statewide, which amounts to approximately 84 million                   
  dollars to the members of the boroughs.  Fifteen percent was                 
  included for expansion of the system.                                        
                                                                               
  DOT started this program by going to the borough mayors and                  
  asking them to appoint a committee to help with the                          
  decisions in the BTP money.  This committee has been                         
  instrumental in the current proposed plans.                                  
                                                                               
  In addition to the committee, there has been an extremely                    
  effective audience.  It has been a program that has gained a                 
  tremendous amount of support at the grass roots level.                       
                                                                               
  Number 0275                                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MENARD asked COMMISSIONER TURPIN how far                      
  along they were on the process.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 0280                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN replied that the last step would be on                   
  how to divide the money.  He said $66 million would be                       
  divided among the boroughs, since the boroughs often have                    
  necessary projects that are much larger than their allotment                 
  can handle.  It was determined to take $18 million and call                  
  that "competitive funding."  According to Commissioner                       
  Turpin, this is available to compete for every year.  The                    
  only part that has not been resolved is how to divide the                    
  $18 million.  This plan may be finalized on Friday, February                 
  12.                                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 0285                                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MENARD asked COMMISSIONER TURPIN if the                       
  boroughs were more accepting of this program in relation to                  
  the maintenance which could get dumped on them.                              
                                                                               
  Number 0289                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN noted that the program had been widely                   
  accepted, even within the Mat/Su Borough.  He noted                          
  Fairbanks isn't as completely satisfied, but they are                        
  beginning to look deeper into the program and find out they                  
  are not as bad off as they originally thought.                               
                                                                               
  Number 0302                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN indicated that John Martin with the DOT                  
  has been available to every assembly, mayor and everyone who                 
  has questions.  He said John Martin has been traveling                       
  extensively throughout the state and has been well received.                 
                                                                               
  Number 0315                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIR FOSTER asked COMMISSIONER TURPIN if anyone on the                      
  working group represented unorganized boroughs.                              
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN replied there was a representative from                  
  Valdez, specifically, the city manager.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 0302                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN stated that the unorganized boroughs had                 
  been treated just if they were another borough.  He said the                 
  borough formula money had been divided by taking the base                    
  amount given to each borough, which is $350,000.  The rest                   
  of the money would then be divided on the basis of                           
  population and half the amount of vehicles registered.  This                 
  money would flow every year.  The $17.9 to $18 million                       
  amount would be competitive funding.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 0320                                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON questioned the amount on the first                     
  page listed under the BTP in the amount of $75,600.                          
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN answered by stating that the $75,600                     
  amount was before the matching money had been added in.  The                 
  total for the BTP, the core system program and the expansion                 
  program amounts to $216,000.  The match for that money                       
  totals $27,800.  The total for these added together equals                   
  $253,800.  He said 35% of that amount is to go to the                        
  boroughs ($84 million).                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 0350                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN:  We will not see much difference with                   
  this program.  The state will continue to bring in local                     
  projects in their plan, just as they always have.  DOT will                  
  have planned the CORE system, which is major highways, and                   
  they will have planned the EXPANSION highways.  The only                     
  difference is that DOT will not have planned the boroughs.                   
  The borough will have planned that part of the budget.  This                 
  may be approved or disapproved as the legislature sees fit.                  
                                                                               
  Payment is made by going to the Federal Highway Department                   
  with the list of projects and will obligate the money needed                 
  for these projects.  They will be paid on a project-by-                      
  project basis.  DOT will do the major design and                             
  construction part of all the projects.  The boroughs are                     
  doing the planning only with money which is lumped out for                   
  the boroughs as they show the need for planning.                             
                                                                               
  The department would be happy to let the boroughs work out                   
  exchanges among themselves if they cannot use their                          
  allotment.  The main thing is that they want to dedicate 35%                 
  of the money to local needs.  If one borough wants to trade                  
  with another for one year, that is fine anyway they want to                  
  work it out.  The borough doesn't need to do the planning.                   
  DOT will be available to provide planning where necessary.                   
                                                                               
  Number 0380                                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS asked what is included in the core                      
  system.                                                                      
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER TURPIN stated the municipal league worked up a                  
  very specific criteria for what is defined as a CORE road.                   
                                                                               
  Number 0398                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIR FOSTER complimented Commissioner Turpin on the plan                    
  for ISTEA.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 0599                                                                  
                                                                               
  DALE MERRELL, PE, ASCG INCORPORATED, noted the necessity for                 
  the department to maintain a good quality of workers in the                  
  contract administrators positions.  He indicated that,                       
  although there a lot of good consultants, not every                          
  consultant will complete a project as well as they should.                   
  He said the ASCG has done a tremendous amount of work for                    
  the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA).  They have been involved                 
  in most of the transportation planning for the BIA in                        
  Alaska, as well as in the Lower 48.  They do allow a                         
  considerable amount of force account work, simply because of                 
  where some of the areas in Alaska are located.  They                         
  currently deal with every village that has roads through the                 
  BIA to do their transportation planning for them.  They have                 
  relied heavily on public input.                                              
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 0626                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIR FOSTER adjourned the meeting at 5:55 p.m.                              

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